NUS call to abolish top-up fees for tax on earnings


Milkround News, 10 June 2009
NUS call to abolish top-up fees for tax on earnings

Graduates are to face a tax on earnings as a replacement to top-up fees if proposals by the National Union of Students are backed by the Government.The NUS has produced a Blueprint for an alternative to higher education funding which would end the charges for England and Northern Ireland students of up to £3,225 a year.Universities are lobbying for an increase in top-up fees, and projections in a report by Universities UK (UUK) shows graduate debt would rise to more than £32,000 if top-up fees were raised to £7,000 a year.But they could be abolished if the new tax was introduced.The NUS wants graduates to contribute to the future costs of higher education according to their actual earnings over a 20 year period, so that those who benefit the most from university by earning more will contribute more.This money would go into a People’s Trust for higher education which could be dipped into for additional university resources when needed.The top 20 percent of earners would contribute 2.5 percent of their total earnings, estimated at £125 a month) while the bottom 20 percent would pay just 0.3 percent, around £5 a month. It is estimated the scheme would raise £4.5 billion each year within 15 years – the same level of total revenue raised by tuition fees at present.The NUS is calling on the government and leading figures in the education sector to seriously consider their plans.NUS President Wes Streeting said: "In the context of the current recession, it is extremely arrogant for university vice chancellors to be fantasising about charging their students even higher fees and plunging them into over £32,000 of debt."This UUK report assumes that higher fees are inevitable, and that the shambolic current system of student support will remain in place. We believe there is an alternative way to fund higher education that is fairer for students, but still generates the kind of income the sector so badly needs."Today the NUS talked to MPs about its proposals and called for all financial support to be based on how much a student needs it, not where they happen to be studying.

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In response to Vicki C: The people who earn more have possibly gained more from going to university so they owe their university more. On the other hand, people who are earning less after university (despite paying just as much to attend as big earners) and therefore have gained less from their education might feel hard done by having to pay so much when they have gained so little.
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Weeranoot P
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Very outregeous idea, who would think of that?
Most courses have less hours of teaching time than personal study. Where is the logic of gone?
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Vicki, I don't think you understand the proposal. Students who actually work, and work very hard, will NOT have to pay more if they achIEve a higher grade. Attaining a higher grade does not necessarily translate to earning more. Just as we already pay income taxes to the government where the percentage is decided based on how much we earn, students who go on to earn more will pay more tax under this proposal. This will not encourage people to become lazier because you are just paying a percentage of your income... not the entire thing. You get to keep the rest, which will obviously be more than if you were earning less.
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Are you insane? I have slaved my way through University, not funded by the government due to supposed limits set upon my Mother's earnings, receiving next to nothing a month. Not being able to pay my own rent with 'maintenance loans' and paying my fees myself with summer jobs, for a 2:1 degree which no-one is accepting this year. And thanks to the recession, I am applying (And not getting) jobs which are well below my capability and enthusiasm. And now they are prooposing this? I am sickened and appauled by such a turn of events, 45% tax for upper earners who will just leave the country for warmer climate and tax climes and now it is graduates who have paid their dues to be the new higher earners / leaders / scientists / learners / teachers / and anything else that could possible make this country a better mroe profitable place to live, in which we are paying the right to be educated in, and now, our leavers are to pay for the future. Am I wrong, or is that what government is about, is that not what we pay our taxes, and put our children into education for? We pay for our own education, we pay for our Mp's to fiddle their second homes and their duck houses, and now we pay for everyone elses education aswell?


I did not work as a cleaner, a secretary and a french tutor for 3 years, to pay for other peoples education. I paid for myself. I paid to keep myself ALIVE, FED and EDUCATED, and I didn't agree with paying my fees then, nor do I now.

Wake up and smell the future.
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You are so right with 8 hrs of teaching a week. Why should we pay that much money for 8 hrs of teaching for 25 weeks, which comes to 400 teaching hrs a year so that's like £8.62 for 1 hr of teaching or if you overseas student that like triple the price. That's really expensive considering lectures just talk for an hr. We can just buy books instead and study ourselves, its not like the teachers really help you anyway.

I think what the government really should do to resolve the rise in student debt is that they should write off the whole or part of your debt according to what class degree you graduate with. This way you get the lazy students working and the ones that don't just pays back the government what they owe!

Its simple; work hard at uni and get a good job and as a result you will be paying higher tax automatically which the government can get recoup the money they have written off for you many years back.

Result! We get harder working students with less debt and more efficient labour.
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Charlotte C
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I think it’s a good idea. Students would then not be in debt as soon as they left uni and would be able to start saving much easier for their future homes and plans. It works on a similar principal to the paying back after 25 years scheme, there are some students who may leave uni and not get a mega paying job or leave employment to start a family or whatever, thus, there are some students who will pay back their loans in full and others who don't, the money not paid back is essentially debt for the country surely, a financial concept much worse for the national economy than a small tax being added to your well-deserved salary at the end of your degree? If I left uni and became a high earner I would have no problem paying the tax as I know that it is worth the money. I think Vicki C is missing the point, students should not be encouraged to be lazier, and I really don’t think conscientious students are lazy anyway, if they plan to get a low grade just so they don't pay for their education (and they could effectively do that now as well) they have completely wasted their time. The main reason to attend uni is to increase your chances of a successful and well-paid career, so if you achieve that debt free, make a good living and then contribute to a worthy tax then I think you would have done well for yourself, but if there are those people that don’t make it or choose not to for their own reasons then they are not left financially stranded. Perhaps, a little of both schemes should be in place, pay a fee which decreases for gaining better grades, an encouragement to work hard, and then a tax dependent on your earnings after graduation, so if you did well the pay-out would balance itself.
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I think this is a stupid idea. Why should students who actually work, and work very hard, have to pay more just because they have acheived a higher grade? This just means students will become even lazier so that they do not get taxed as much. I agree £7000 is a disgraceful amount to pay for a course that often only has 8 hours teaching time per week, but making those who work the hardest pay the most is unfair and just as disgraceful!
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Is there any evidence that tution fees have even improved university services for those paying them, or are they just being used for staff bonuses?
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